It doesn’t matter how many long-range missiles we give to Ukraine. Those alone will not change any dynamic on the battlefield—any more than the previous entry of Western tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery pieces, air defense weapons, HIMARS systems, or even the vaunted F16s. The war is lost for Kyiv.
  • zbyte64@awful.systems
    59·
    8 hours ago

    So let me get this straight, Ukraine will loose even more land of we give them more weapons? Lol okay.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
      82·
      8 hours ago

      These weapons are not going to change the direction of the war even as the US state department openly admits. What they will do is make the war last longer and ensure more people die. Hope that clears things up for you.

      • zbyte64@awful.systems
        47·
        8 hours ago

        Giving more weapons and negotiating an end to the war are not mutually exclusive. Biden is Giving Ukraine their best hand possible before the US is likely to duck out.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
          83·
          8 hours ago

          Once again, since you appear to have trouble grappling with this concept. More weapons are not going to change the terms because the winner of the war will be dictating them. Either NATO goes and fights Russia directly, which is highly unlikely, or Russia will dictate terms to Ukraine. All these weapons are achieving is to ensure more Ukrainians die in a pointless war, which seems to give a hard on to people like you.

          • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            4 hours ago

            Either NATO goes and fights Russia directly, which is highly unlikely

            Yep, that’s evidenced by statements going back to 2022 by senior US officials (including John Kirby himself at one point I believe) stating that even if Russia used a tactical nuke within Ukraine, we would not respond with direct military intervention.

            https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-biden-putin-goes-nuclear-experts-say-nuclear-response-unlikely-no-rcna32756

            If Russia used a nuclear weapon of any type, “I expect (the president) to say we’re in a new situation, and the U.S. will directly enter the war against Russia to stop this government that has not only broken so many international laws and violated human rights but also now violated the nuclear taboo,” said Evelyn Farkas, a former top Pentagon official for Russia and now executive director of the McCain Institute. “Putin will be signing the order on changing the regime.”

            But two U.S. officials briefed on the issue did not agree, with one saying, “Unless they use them on NATO we’re probably not going to respond militarily.”

            So if the use of nuclear weapons isn’t a red line, then what is? And back to your point, what’s the point of continuing this war if we’re not going to intervene and it’s only going to result in my Ukranian deaths? Personally, I think that the answer has been clear from the beginning. We’re willing to use the Ukranian people as fodder to dwindle Russia’s resources.