people have been demonizing it for most of the AD years i think but it’s quite pleasant really. are there any proven negative effects?

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    The feeling of chasing that high, which scientists can show physical evidence of through brain imaging, isn’t present in people who self report porn addiction. What they’re calling addiction is frequently just enjoying masturbation, which they feel shame about, and that any amount is too much. If what people are self reporting as porn addiction neurologically doesn’t behave as an addiction, then therapies for addiction are not going to be evidence based treatments.

    The people you’re talking about with cum jars often don’t even see their behavior as a problem, much less labeling themselves addicts. The overlap of the circles of people who masturbate in public and those that call themselves porn addicts is near zero. Calling all of that porn addiction is basically lumping all problematic sexual behavior together with people who think they’re part of that group because they look at porn and masturbate.

    The professionals that treat porn addiction are also for the most part members of religious organizations that promote religious based solutions, which also doesn’t really offer much evidence against the idea that porn “addiction” is religious based shame.

    The porn industry itself being exploitative of the workers is a completely different conversation than someone being “addicted” to porn.

    I get that anyone who says they have a porn addiction isn’t having a good time. But we can’t ignore that there is a huge industry of religious quackery that is more than happy to take your money and tell you that you’re oh so sick, just as your shame and guilt tell you.

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      I want you to go back and re-read both of my posts and tell me where I said the words “porn addiction” or alluded to porn being the addiction. I’m trying to work with you here buddy, but you’ve decided that I’m saying something I haven’t said, after I took the time to clearly explain as much.

      I literally am not talking about porn addiction nor have I used the words porn addiction, so can you take your crusade elsewhere, please and thank you.

      The people you’re talking about with cum jars often don’t even see their behavior as a problem, much less labeling themselves addicts.

      Literally what I am talking about and why I didn’t use the term porn addiction.

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        I’m sorry, I guess I don’t understand why you’re talking about addictions and how that relates to dopamine in your first comment if you’re not talking about porn addiction. I’m not using quotes around porn addiction to directly quote you, I’m using them because I don’t believe porn addiction is a real thing.

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          how that relates to dopamine in your first comment if you’re not talking about porn addiction

          Dude, we’re literally talking about how orgasms release dopamine. What the fuck are you smoking? I’m literally talking about the orgasm itself!

          Fucking reading comprehension is dead.

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            If your problem is specifically me using the word porn when you’re talking about masturbation more generally, with or without porn, does it help to add the context that “porn addiction” is used interchangeably by these groups with “masturbation addiction”? I’m not really sure where this is breaking down.

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              I’m not really sure where this is breaking down.

              Phrases like “couple this with” from this sentence from my first comment are how I’m breaking it down. The meaning of this is “in addition to” not “these are equals.” I’m sorry you’ve not managed to read the context words I added specifically for this purpose.

              Couple this with how incredibly unhealthy the social relationships portrayed in most pornography are, and you’re gearing up for a lot of young men addicted to wanking and having unrealistic expectations of sex.

              From my second comment:

              The porn is rather a social knock-on effect because people often seek out porn to make the pathway to dopamine release easier.

              Because it’s true that people use shortcuts to cumming, like porn.

              I reiterate, reading comprehension is dead.

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                Dude, I’ve tried engaging with you politely on this and elaborating on each thing I was saying. If you’re married to the idea of masturbation addiction being real despite the scientific evidence for it being incredibly weak and the “treatment” being bankrolled by religious groups, knock yourself out.

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                  Ima be real with you.

                  Arguing all masturbation is inherently good isn’t any better or morally superior than arguing all masturbation is inherently bad. Extremism is extremism and literally all I was talking about was moderation. If you can’t handle someone arguing moderation, it sounds like maybe you really do have a problem.

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                    Lmao, I’m at a stage of my life and on the types of medications that would make wanting to masturbate a lot a welcome change.

                    Masturbation (in private obviously) is a neutral act. Anyone trying to characterize it as inherently good or bad is suspect. Anyone trying to sell you a cure for something mainstream society tells you is shameful, doubly so.