The western values Ukraine is defending are becoming more apparent by the day.

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    6 months ago

    I am far from equating. Liberation of Ukrainian people must culminate in the destruction of the Ukrainian state, be it western- or Russian-backed, as is the case for all other peoples and states.

    On the other hand, destruction of only Ukraine serves only their imperialist oppressor - Russia.

    It’s so funny when a liberal crying about “western values” is lecturing me on what constitutes idiocy.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      It’s so funny when a liberal crying about “western values” is lecturing me on what constitutes idiocy.

      Yogthos is not defending Western/liberal values, he is pointing out the hypocrisy of liberalism.

      Liberation of Ukrainian people must culminate in the destruction of the Ukrainian state, be it western- or Russian-backed, as is the case for all other peoples and states.

      Yes.

      On the other hand, destruction of only Ukraine serves only their imperialist oppressor - Russia.

      Russia is not predominantly an imperialist state at the moment, though it is a capitalist state which should ultimately be destroyed. And being a capitalist state, in time it may well develop into a full-throated imperialist state. To elaborate I’ll copypasta myself:

      Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?

      In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.

      Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

    • Urist@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      They think western hegemony will fall anytime now if only Russia can “win” the war. Also, they think somehow a multi polar world order with Russia on the stage is going to be a step towards freeing the people of the earth.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        6 months ago

        Western hegemony is already falling as can clearly seen with western imperialist pigs being shoved out of Africa. Anybody who thinks that western repression is preferable to a multipolar world can get fucked.