• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Lemmygrad has a fairly standard Marxist stance. What do you count as “apoligism?”

    Lemmy.ml hasn’t defederated from ATLA communities. Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities and showing signs of defederating from Lemmy.ml sends a pretty clear anti-Marxist stance, especially when they defederated from Marxist instances already.

    196 does not advertise itself as anti-Marxist, but very quickly Marxists get branded “tankies” and get banned. It’s easy to pretend to support Marxists and allow Marxists but then brand them tankies if they take standard Marxist stances. That’s why it’s better to just call 196 an Anarchist instance, if Marx himself would be considered a Tankie.

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      5 months ago

      CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.

      Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities …

      Still has nothing to do with my disapproval of tankie rhetoric. Personally I think everyone should be given a chance to have a civil discussion even if I disagree, but defederation isn’t my decision.

      but very quickly Marxists get branded “tankies” and get banned.

      I’ve never seen a shred of evidence for this, and I can see the modlog. I’m open to checking it out and advocating change if you actually have something to support this, but frankly, you running defense for Lemmygrad doesn’t exactly lend you any credibility.

      If you post Marxist/communist/socialist stuff without a hint of tankie shit or authoritarian apologetics and it gets you banned, you have it here on record that I’ll personally defend you and advocate for change in the community.

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        5 months ago

        What counts as defending? Like, if I say I think it’s cool that China has high speed rail, am I a tankie? That’s why I am asking.

        As for 196, I try to avoid discussing anything political there except for the most benign and uncontroversial takes possible, because that’s what that community tends to want.

        Where do you draw the line between authoritarian and Marxist? What good Marxist movements have existed that don’t count as authoritarian to you? This all seems vibes-based.

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          5 months ago

          You’ve gotta be being deliberately obtuse.

          How about “advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom”?

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              5 months ago

              CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.

              How about “advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom”?

              If you genuinely still don’t understand what it means to defend authoritarianism, I can’t help you. It doesn’t get more specific than what I’ve already given you.

              Otherwise, I’m not going to keep entertaining willful ignorance.