• spujb@lemmy.cafe
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    7 months ago

    i don’t personally love seeing antinatalism stuff on my feed especially since it tends to attract really nasty proto-eugenics types

    can we not, or at the bare minimum mark this nsfw?

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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      I don’t want to continue my bloodline because of looming threat of climate change.

      And also cause I’m ugly and have self-esteem issues.

      What’s eugenics gotta do with it?

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        /gen is this sarcasm or are you not aware that you answered your question with your second sentence :(

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          Choosing to not have kids yourself, for whatever reason, is definitely not eugenics. I don’t even get how you’d come to this idea.

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          yes. and to be clear, it’s not eugenics to make that choice yourself. problem starts as soon as it becomes about others though. seen far too many internet conversations go from

          • “i won’t reproduce” to
          • “it’s my responsibility not to reproduce” to
          • “it’s our responsibility not to reproduce” to
          • “the poor and disabled should be sterilized.”

          this post is already getting pretty damn close to step 3 right there. reddit was awful for this so i encourage us to just be aware when stuff like this comes up.

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          Alternately: choosing to reproduce for genetic reasons. Positive eugenics is still eugenics.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

          Historically, eugenicists have attempted to alter human gene pools by excluding people and groups judged to be inferior or promoting those judged to be superior.

          Emphasis mine, though seems people rarely get called out for the latter.

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      Curious about your age and social group. Pretty much everyone I associate with doesn’t want to have kids, usually citing the world their children would inherit. These definitely aren’t the type of people that support eugenics, in any way. Are you of the belief that we should be increasing the world’s population? If so, why?

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        Yeah I have no idea why this person is on about. Antinatalism has literally nothing to do with eugenics. It’s all about saying “fuck you I’m not going to make more cogs for the machine.”

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        I’ll be honest it was a huge question that hung over my wife and I when we were trying to decide whether to have kids or not. But we were in our mid 30s and it was a ‘now or never’ type situation.

        Believe it not there is positives in raising kids. We’re definitely not judgemental of people who decide they don’t want to. But I love my kids more than I knew it was possible. And we’re trying to raise them with an understanding of the world that’s a bit broader than the ra-ra pro-capital values we were taught as kids.

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        no, i have no belief regarding the world’s population in either direction. this comment pretty much explains the rest of my position.

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              “Positive” eugenics is also eugenics, i.e. nations that want more (insert racial or ethnic group) and encouraging those groups to reproduce are engaging in eugenics.

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                i don’t disagree but positive eugenics is literally not the topic at hand that’s why no one had brought it up

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                  The OP isn’t about eugenics of any sort. No one was talking about (negative) eugenics either until someone shoehorned it into the conversation.

                  I think it is intellectually dishonest to mention one type of eugenics while completely ignoring the other type, hence my bringing attention to a topic which has already been broached.

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                    intellectually dishonest

                    ok well what do you want me to say about it lol, the conversation was kind of already had before you showed up here

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          People choose to have less kids since there’s less of a need to invest in human capital. It’s a conscious choice, what’s your point?

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      i just have a feeling raising kids will get harder and harder, because the economy is getting worse and more unequal. even factoring out climate change, its expensive to afford even my own survival.

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      this community refuses to put slurs behind nsfw tags but idk i hope u can convince some