The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to “Leftists who won’t vote” & “MAGA Republicans” teaming up to “getting revenge on liberals”.

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        You both have valid and correct feelings on the matter, and that is the tragedy.

        Cornel West earned your vote, Biden didn’t. However, if Cornel earns enough votes, both liberals and leftists are going to have to look at the prospect of having to take our antifascism off screen.

        You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people? Do people fighting for women’s healthcare? Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins.

        I think that is something Cornel West and his followers should at least be talking amongst themselves about.

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            I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?

            The i-5 corridor. Except a thrown ballot against liberals is going to put Dace Reichert into office in Washington.

            If queer people lose Washington or Oregon as a safe haven where liberals are using the courts to ouah gay rights forward nationally, that’s the fault solely of privileged leftists, in my book.

            But you are also right, Biden didn’t earn your vote. No liberal ever will. But sometimes, the only option is to let them have it. It sucks, I know. I am sorry, but the liberal coalition is the only safe path forward for the left movement at this moment.

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              I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?

              i’m not leaving my home. and america is already fascist.

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                If the republicans are who they say they are, and they get power over your jurisdiction, yeah, you likely will. Not in 2025, maybe not in 2028 even, but how long will it be?

                Maybe the first time you are shoved into an alleyway by an “athletic club” and your head shoved against the concrete, only to find that the district attorney decides there isn’t enough evidence to serve you justice, yeah, you will be planning your exit.

                You will not be going Rambo, you will be finding safe haven.

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              hat’s the fault solely of privileged leftists

              when do politicians bear the responsibility of their own actions?

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          Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins

          no. we have to ensure the safety of the palestinian peopl and their liberation regardless of what happens november 2

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            When trump wins with your help, what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?

            It will be too late, won’t it?

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              what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?

              same thing i do now. agitate, educate, organize.

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                    Are you accusing me of being uncharitable towards others because I asked you to clarify what you meant?

                    Uhm, OK.

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                Great, and what are you going to say to all of the LGBT folk who get legislated out of existence because of your failure to protect them?

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                    Voting third party is no vote at all. Therefore you are refusing to combat Trump, and so are complicit in his victory if it happens.

                    You are just as much to blame as the Reps if he wins.

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                The only way in the US system to throw a protest vote without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes from the candidate you want the least.

                So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.

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                  So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.

                  this makes no sense. i am going to vote for the candidate i want to win.

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                  without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes

                  this is a lie. the votes don’t belong to biden. they belong to me. if i give it to someone, it’s not taking it from anyone else.

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                  only way in the US system to throw a protest vote

                  voting isn’t a protest, so this term makes no sense.