• The Pantser@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Tell the wife to use telegram or another messaging client. There are plenty of perfectly good alternatives to imessages.

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      11 months ago

      We use messenger, which I also don’t like. Its ridiculous. If these fucken tech giants aren’t going to right interoperability standards then someone needs to force them to. We made all this shit to make life better and somehow have forgotten that was the fucken goal.

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        11 months ago

        For better or worse you happen to be using the one messaging app that is broadly agreed to be worse than iMessage.

        Signal and Telegram are far superior, even putting aside the most glaring flaws of the other two.

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            11 months ago

            I’ve successfully converted a spouse, which I don’t think is out of the question w.r.t who I replied to.

            I’ve also converted my main friend group, but appreciate that’s insurmountable for a lot of people - genuinely, people hate change after all. I’m lucky to have a lot of friends who work in tech and are receptive to trying new things.

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          Its convenience. Why have both of us download a new app strictly for pictures when she is already on Facebook, and I have a dusty one with no posts for a decade. Plus getting someone in the US to download a 3rd party messaging app is like asking them to respond to the Nigerian Prince for his offers.

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            11 months ago

            Fair enough. It’s kind of an oxymoron to worry about the trust of a given 3rd party messaging app while using products from a known, wide scale, repeated privacy intruder like Meta, but you have what you need in terms of convenience so I won’t make a further case for an alternative.

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              11 months ago

              Believe me, I know. I wouldn’t be using it if the people I need it for would switch. But people don’t give a shit here. I gave up trying to move apps. The rest of my shit is arch linux and de googled. This is the last hold out.

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          11 months ago

          I’d say Telegram isn’t superior. It’s default encryption is nowhere near iMessage.

          And if you step up the encryption, you lose group chats.

          For it’s flaws, iMessage is a very good solution, one that Signal was emulating for a while.

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            11 months ago

            I’m not criticising the UX of iMessage for Apple to Apple comms. It’s solid, and was leader-in-class for a very long time.

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        Why should they be forced to interop? That’ll just reduce it to the lowest commend denominator. What impetus would any of them have for investing in making a better system if everyone can use their work?

        We have choices. We don’t have to use iMessage, or Beeper. We can use other messengers.

        Forcing interop means all messengers will function the same… Again at the LCD level.

        Plus different messengers have different capabilities, different use-cases.

        Frankly I don’t even want to use SMS at all, and haven’t wanted to for 10 years. I want a messenger that’s independent of my mobile device that I can simply sign into just about anywhere. Kind of like instant messengers were in the late 90’s (which often used things like XMPP).

        Ten+ years ago I was running instant messengers on Android. Pidgin, Trillian, etc, logging in to multiple messengers. That should’ve been the path forward, but people couldn’t be bothered because SMS was free, native, and “good enough” (in their minds).

        And yet back then any conversations I had on any device showed up on all devices. With no dependence on my SIM or phone hardware ID.

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          interoperability is the capability of a product or system to interact and function with others. Why would that force them to all function the same? Why would that be bad for us as consumers? Why does it matter how many choices we have if those choices restrict us to using a specific one? Interoperability solves all of these and causes none of the problems you are stating. Of course they have no incentive for doing this as it doesn’t benefit a corporation, they’re only incentivized to entrap people in their ecosystems cause it makes them the most money. Different messaging standards is one of the ways they keep us locked in. This is a choice, too, one made by the tech giants for you with no choice in the matter. You can’t send a nice quality picture from iMessage to Google Messages, get fukt.

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            How else do you make them interop, other than by finding a common mapping?

            Why would any company map their extended or unique elements, which they developed, to meet government regs?

            They won’t, they’ll drop to the least effort required to get the regulators off their backs.

            I have a choice. Apple users have a choice. There are plenty of other messenging systems out there.

            MS Teams

            Skype

            Element

            SimpleX

            Signal

            Telegram

            Wire

            Wiremin

            Litewire

            Discord

            Conversations

            Snikket

            Briar

            Zello

            TwinMe

            Tox

            Keybase

            Threema

            Whatsapp

            Jami

            XMPP (which some listed use)

            Just go to Wikipedia for a long list of different messengers and their capabilities.

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              Choice is nice, but my problem is the choices can’t communicate with each other correctly. Thats an issue. Its an issue when our communication devices are not effective at communicating what we want to. We are already seeing the bare ass minimum right now, which is just SMS. They’re doing that now, the bare minimum. If Apple was forced to fix their shitty conversion instead of it just picking the worst resolution possible, they would do it. It doesn’t matter what app I use because most people in the US use iMessage, and thats where I do most of my communicating.

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      11 months ago

      I prefer Signal to telegram and it’s been amazing the whole time I’ve used it

      Now if I could just convince more people I know to switch to it that’d be great

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        11 months ago

        The better option is to push Google and Apple to adopt a completely open version of RCS with end to end encryption so that regardless of whatever app someone is using, you know for a fact that they can receive your message.

        The broken messaging ecosystem between WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, and others is a shit sandwich.

        People would lose their minds if email was the same way.

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      11 months ago

      That doesn’t solve the interoperability problem. You can’t guarantee who has what messaging app. You shouldn’t need a 3rd party app for basic functionality, anyway.

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      That’s certainly less desirable option for many. But why is wanting modern cross platform messaging so bad? It works iPhone to iPhone, works Android to Android, theoretically if there were other players (maybe if BB or Windows still had phones) they could also achieve the same using RCS with Android. This argument is and has always been about default protocols that phone can communicate with. Of course downloading 3rd party chat apps, emailing them, mailing them a letter, using a cup and string, stopping communication because they chose to use a phone from a different manufacture are all still “options”.

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      11 months ago

      I like Signal better than my standard android SMS app. I can send more pictures at a time, video at high quality, and it does groups well.