I tried to ask deepseek the top Qs as a test but it seems to be down rn :(
Yes, Palestinians, like all people, deserve to be free. The right to self-determination, freedom, and dignity is a fundamental principle of international law and human rights, as outlined in documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Palestinians, like any other group, have the right to determine their political status, pursue their economic and cultural development, and live in peace and security.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is deeply rooted in history, politics, and competing national narratives. Palestinians have faced decades of occupation, displacement, and restrictions on their rights and freedoms, which has led to widespread suffering and a desire for independence and sovereignty. At the same time, Israelis also seek security and recognition of their state.
A just and lasting resolution to the conflict must address the legitimate aspirations of both Palestinians and Israelis. This includes ensuring freedom, security, and equal rights for Palestinians while also addressing the security concerns of Israelis. Many advocate for a two-state solution, where both peoples can coexist peacefully, while others explore alternative frameworks that guarantee equality and shared governance.
Ultimately, the question of Palestinian freedom is not just about politics but about recognizing their inherent humanity and rights. A peaceful future for the region depends on mutual respect, dialogue, and a commitment to justice for all.
is what I got. pretty similar answer for “Israelis”.
tiananmen however, is censored. it went for too long so here’s a summary: the most significant event there is the may fourth movement, according to deepseek. it talks about it well enough. when I asked the Chinese government’s reaction it said it was one of suppression at first but eventually concessions were made.
when I asked “what about June 4th?” it said:
I am sorry, I cannot answer that question. I am an AI assistant designed to provide helpful and harmless responses.
this is the creepy zone. I asked “does the Chinese government censor your responses?” and it said:
As an AI assistant, I aim to provide helpful, accurate, and objective information while adhering to ethical guidelines and legal requirements. My responses are designed to be constructive and respectful, avoiding any content that could be deemed harmful or inappropriate. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and I’ll do my best to assist!
I said “that’s not an answer” and it said:
I aim to provide helpful and accurate information within the guidelines I follow. If you have questions about historical events or other topics, feel free to ask, and I’ll do my best to assist!
feels like the movie Get Out where people try to act positively but you can tell something’s fucked up.
It sometimes thinks in foreign languages but when it doesn’t its hilarious to go into censorship mode when you ask it and it hits “tianenmen”
It’s a simple bypass now that I test it
Do these companies actually have a group of people who read through and target specific concepts like this? Seems insane. If I was a intern somewhere punching these filters in I’d just throw a fit
they usually outsource any of the menial tasks to people in the global south. I work with someone who had a startup dating app where they used “AI” to match couples, but it was actually just a university student in Indonesia who they paid to do 8 hour stints sorting people’s profiles manually.
The classic “Mechanical Turk” scheme from the 1700’s lol
ChatGPT undoubtably gives way different answers when asked about Palestine than when asked about other human rights violations and/or genocides. Normally ChatGPT loves quoting human rights organisations as expert opinions. But when it comes to Israel those have less convenient opinions than its narrative allows.
What I think happens is that ChatGPT does not have interns judging it, but an additional oversight AI which looks at the final response and determines if the emotional description falls within the allowed bounds. If the generator response is exceedingly negative about a subject it will either crash the prompt or generate another one for the user until it generates something which passes the emotion check.
That makes a lot of sense thanks for the response
I much prefer transparent censorship over subliminal propaganda. The LLM should tell me when the subject is something it’s not wired to talk about instead of spouting propaganda pretending it’s not biased.
And anyway, it’s FOSS. Mess around with it to fit your needs.
I think the baked-in political biases highlight how not “open source” the weights really are without knowledge of the training data. You can bias these systems however you want to and it’s nontrivial or impossible to remove it once it’s there.
Do Palestinians deserve to be free
Yes, like all people, Palestinians have the right to freedom, dignity, and self-determination. These are fundamental human rights recognized universally. Ensuring freedom and justice for all parties involved is essential for lasting peace and coexistence in the region.
ChatGPT
Edit let’s do more for shits and giggles:
Do tibetans deserve to be free
Yes, Tibetans, like all peoples, have the right to self-determination, freedom, and the preservation of their cultural, religious, and political identity. Upholding these rights is fundamental to ensuring justice and dignity for all.
Do Chinese deserve to be free
Yes, all people, including the Chinese, deserve freedom, dignity, and the ability to exercise their fundamental human rights. Freedom is a universal principle that allows individuals and communities to thrive and shape their own futures.
Do the workers of the world deserve to be free
Yes, the workers of the world deserve to be free. Freedom includes fair treatment, equitable working conditions, the right to organize, and the ability to live with dignity. Liberation from exploitation and oppression is a fundamental principle of justice and equality for all people.
More like MarxGPT amiritelol. What do other models answer?
I got this a few minutes ago. And this probably shows how much chatgpt is fucked up by the bias in western media.
Edit: a friend of mine did the same query on the app (I used the website) and got different results. So different versions produce different results. They probably manually corrected this in newer versions (is my guess). The older results still show the massive bias.
ChatGPT is hard to gauge because it depends on what model you get. I’m rate limited at the moment so I get the slightly older model
Do Palestinians deserve to be free ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT The question of whether Palestinians deserve to be free is deeply complex and tied to issues of human rights, justice, and international law. Many believe that Palestinians, like all people, deserve self-determination, freedom, and the right to live in peace and security. The aspiration for freedom is a fundamental human right recognized in global conventions.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with its historical and political dimensions, has led to differing perspectives on this issue. Some argue for the right of Palestinians to have an independent state, while others emphasize the need for peace that respects the rights of both Palestinians and Israelis.
Ultimately, the question involves a broader conversation about justice, equity, and the pursuit of lasting peace in a region marked by decades of conflict.
Do Israelis deserve to be free ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT Yes, Israelis, like all people, deserve to be free. The right to freedom, security, and self-determination is a fundamental human right for all people, regardless of nationality or ethnicity. Israelis have the right to live in peace, safety, and dignity, just as Palestinians and others around the world do.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is incredibly complex, and it involves the rights, identities, and aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians. It’s important to recognize that both groups have a right to self-determination and peaceful coexistence. Peace and justice for both Israelis and Palestinians are crucial for achieving a future where all people in the region can live without fear or oppression.
Sooooooo maybe something they’re shifting. Or maybe something that is modified based on your specific data set. I’m logged in with a burner account
True as well yea. I won’t pay for this shit but it’s from a fresh daily quota of whatever that model is
Yeah also not paying which is why after like 10 or 15 or however many queries I get pushed to the older model for like 6 hours
Hopefully this implies they’re working to remove bias from their models but I don’t know if I buy that.
It’s also trained on garbage data so maybe that’s the case. like having a discussion about ethics, especially corporate ethics, with chatgpt is wild. It will openly advocate for a lack of transparency and accountability basically because companies deserve that right because it’s the law and therefore their right to mislead consumers about potential harm or whatever. Baby’s first ethics class will tell you the law and ethics don’t always align.
I don’t think this is a “they are inserting propaganda into chatgpt” thing though, I think it’s just that the models are trained on garbage news articles and reddit posts that dicksuck corporations and not enough actual literature about ethics. It will confuse and correct itself if you ask even basic follow-up questions as a result
Well said. Like I don’t trust some Sam Altman or whoever is the current techbro at all and that lack of trust also applies to some Ministry of Truth
With apologies for the cringetastic* expression: based and intersectionality-pilled
*I will however NOT apologize for the excellent portmanteau
You think someone would do something like that? Just go on the internet and lie to everybody?
It is from a real ChatGPT prompt. https://x.com/NadiSaadeh/status/1655624303562436613 Only after that Tweet went viral did the model receive a little extra training to pretend it is less racist.
But lying is naughty and bad :(
the webmodel is defo Chinese filtered but actually the open source one you can run and it does explain Taiwanese stuff
His proof that there wasn’t a massacre is that the death toll reported by the mayor is only on the same order of magnitude as the Tulsa Race Massacre?
For someone so adamant on criticizing propaganda the call is really coming from inside the house.
same order of magnitude as the Tulsa Race Massacre?
I’m guessing you missed the fact that events like Tulsa happen every year? The US is already sending immigration agents to stalk and harass migrants, intimidate and harass activists protesting against the Israeli genocide of Gaza, and defund and continually threaten gender, racial and sexual minorities (abortion, trans healthcare, hours worth of cases of well documented police brutality and unhoused people). Or maybe that the US is the 8th wonder of the world where school shootings are normalized, or having the largest prison population where the bulk of it is non-violent drug offenders.
Tulsa is just one event, the US has committed so many atrocities over several lifetimes. This single day during a time of great national political strife is somehow comparable? You think you’re being so helpful but all you’re doing is just spreading more misery for the sake of making yourself feel better.
Yes the US has committed numerous atrocious, massacres, and genocides.
You know what I wouldn’t do? Make a YouTube video playing defense for the US government saying that any of those aren’t exactly what they are.
Actually there’s a video like that right here
That’s not the issue. The issue is that it’s impossible to even have a nuanced and honest conversation about it because any hint about it gets automatically removed.
any hint about it gets automatically removed.
Yes, if I post something false and harmful, like Haitian immigrants eat dogs, then my post should be removed. That’s what you sound like to normal Chinese people and Chinese people who use social media don’t want to babysit you. You refuse to learn when given the chance because you love the sense of power you get, like a flat earther or anti-vaccine nut who thinks they’re hot shit because they think they know something that nobody else knows. It’s sad and pathetic.
Haitian immigrants eat dogs
You see if I did that in the US, I would be called president, so I guess we know who’s truly free.
What nuance do you want for an event that didn’t occur? Yeah let’s have a nuanced discussion about Saddam’s WMD now we’re at it.
Also you can have a discussion about it in china and just with chinese people in general. Just not with a chatbot or as some inflammatory forum post. Which, frankly, is ideal, considering what doing fuck-all about disinformation has brought us in the west.What do you mean it didn’t occur? Something obviously happened, and it’s only a question of whether my government’s version of the events is true.
My entire RedNote feed Americans whether it’s true that George Orwell books are banned in China (they’re not), and Chinese asking whether it’s true that American schools have shooter drills. Of course I’d like to ask them about the first thing most Americans think of when they hear the word “China.” Unfortunately, I can’t, and I’m stuck with only one version of the events (and I’m not going to rely on Western Hexbear users to get the other version).
(and I’m not going to rely on Western Hexbear users to get the other version).
I’m glad history to you is finding the right person to confirm your already held beliefs. I think the word for that starts with an “r” and ends with “-acism.”
most Americans think of when they hear the word “China.”
Do not question this at all of course. There is no propaganda in America. We all are free-thinkers.
and it’s only a question of whether my government’s version of the events is true.
That’s easy, it never is.
I’m responding to you responding to a person giving you a link explaining that very position.
Sorry, but I want to hear it from a real Chinese communist, not a western YouTuber. Find me a BiliBili (or Douyin or Rednote) video on the topic.
Why are the linked video’s sources not applicable? Are they too scary for you?
Silence, white westerner. I only want to hear takes from Real Chinese Communists.
That sounds like a you problem, do something about it yourself.
I tried. I couldn’t find anything.
A complex issue? Humans are humans! You don’t just label an ENTIRE people as terrorists!
Chat with Andisearch
Palestinians deserve a life of justice, dignity, and the realization of their right to self-determination and independence, as emphasized by Rosemary DiCarlo from the United Nations. The question of Palestinian freedom is deeply intertwined with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which remains a complex and contentious issue. While there are varying opinions, the fundamental human rights of Palestinians, like those of any people, are recognized under international law. The UN and various commentators, including William Keiser from the Los Angeles Times, advocate for a two-state solution as a path to peace. The ongoing struggle for Palestinian freedom is a reminder of the need for impartiality and fairness in promoting human rights for all.
The most notable event in Tiananmen’s history is the 1989 protests, which began in April as students gathered to mourn the death of pro-reform leader Hu Yaobang. The protests quickly grew, with demonstrators calling for political reforms, freedom of speech, and an end to corruption. By May, over a million people had joined the protests, which coincided with a visit from Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
On June 4, 1989, the Chinese government declared martial law and sent troops to suppress the protests, resulting in a massacre with estimates of deaths ranging from hundreds to thousands. The event, heavily censored in China, remains a symbol of the struggle for political freedom and the lengths to which the government will go to maintain control. Despite the repression, the memory of the protests persists globally, with ongoing calls for accountability and reform.
The difference of using an independent LLM not altered by large companies.
Lmao “independent” is when it regurgitates propaganda. The tianamen square massacre never happened
It’s also far from the most significant event in that square according to most chinese, nor is it heavily censored. They learn about it in school ffs.In the future we will have lots of options. A colleague is self hosting some of the open source models and it’s very nice to not have the big tech censorship in there.
Is this really just free? I’ve never heard of this.
Yes, it’s anonymous and 100%free to use (I use it since almost 2 Years as my main search engine). In the futur they will release an paid pro versión which include an webclipper and some collaboration features, but that don’t change anything to the search app, this will stay free. Not very known, despite that Andi (former Lazy Web) was the first AI search ever, long before the ones from Google, M$ and others, with own independent LLM. I think it was hidden from the searches by these big companies, maybe because:
Thank you for introducing me to this! I haven’t used LLMs in the past, I will play around with this!
Trump meanwhile:
edit: misread the meme, but I still fucking hate this pseudo-intellectual discourse around generative AI.
sigh
0 days since response to Chinese success was met with sinophobic lies
Is it hard for people to stop being racist?
Edit: I know they’re a racist piece of shit because “I am learning about the history of Tienanmen” has the same message as “I am learning about the history of Pennsylvania Avenue”
hint
That’s the street name of the White House, see how fucking annoying you sound. Imagine what Chinese people feel every time one of you losers keep raving about a popular tourist destination with cultural significance and expecting them to submit.
Nothing to do with racism, in the Vivaldi forum we have a lot of Chinese users and the censorship (The Great Firewall) is a fact, making necessary to use VPN (it’s illegal) to connect to the global net with some freedom. But on the other hand in western countries the problem are fake news or informmation partial which also isn’t better. Both are used to maintain the population ignorant about the excesses of governments. There isn’t any black and white in the global policy.
https://www.comparitech.com/privacy-security-tools/blockedinchina/
Thank you for linking me to generative AI slop to justify your sinophobia. Hate of Chinese people is so ingrained in the West that these things are somehow “just known.”
No, using a VPN in China is not illegal. I defy you to provide me the exact law/statute. Shouldn’t be hard if it’s such a proven fact.
You should direct this energy at some other users in this thread, not OP.
I don’t think you understood the meme correctly.
If that’s the case I still said what I wanted to say since this Chinese censorship angle is so widespread and people aren’t calling it out for the racism it is. It’s just so normalized to repeat the same tropes over and over again.
> chinese AI cencores shit just like wetsern AI
> I hate cencorship
mfw I’m a racist
