How exactly do you envision the EU being an effective deterrence against the US exactly? The EU is completely dependent on the US militarily, and now that EU won’t trade with Russia, it’s also dependent on the US for energy. The US has the EU bent over a barrel at this point.
Good point, honestly. But, if worst comes to worse, I expect continental Europe to stand with other continental Europeans and their interests before it stands with the likes of the US and UK.
The EU would have ally itself with China. It is a difficult choice, you have a fascist oligarchy who funded Israel’s genocide on one hand (US) vs a communist country that built 40000km of HSR, countless solar panels, the most affordable electric cars in the world, and now a ton of nuclear power plants. I can’t tell which country is worse 🙃
Yes, Russia also did this. And it’s possible that the US will do this. And the US does support some monarchies. But that doesn’t mean that we should steal-man one regime and straw-man another. Instead, we should be critical of all authoritarian governments. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
Does the US support ethnic cleansing in Israel? Yes. Is the ethnic cleansing in Israel worse? Quite arguably, it’s much worse. Is the US doing it externally and China internally? Yeah, but so what? The Biden/Trump can’t say “well other countries have done ethnic cleansing in the past” to normalize theirs. Likewise, Xi can’t say that what’s happening to Muslims in China is justified because the US also has internal racism. That would be whataboutism. We should acknowledge all atrocities without insisting on comparing them and only condemning the worst while excusing all lesser forms of discrimination.
Yes, the US is a larger polluter per-capita. But China is hardly the world’s role model for sustainability. I think Cuba might be an example of a country with a fairly good lifestyle and state of development relative their per-capita environmental footprint (although they have other problems).
I’m so tired of the oversimplified thinking you people display. Authoritarianism is wrong, red or blue, Black or White, right or “left” (I don’t think authoritarianism in peacetime can be justified by any true leftist).
And before you say, “The US does these things, too, but worse,” reach for a glass of nuance. The US does some things better and others worse. We arguably have greater freedom of expression/speech and more turnover in leadership. Not to say we are totally free and democratic. Just that China seems to be farther from freedom and democracy with respect to censorship and elections.
there are other things, where USA is dependent on Europe.
Please elaborate… Last I checked, other than imposing imperial interests for the US’ behalf, I can’t recollect a single concrete thing that the US needs the EU for.
So, there is ASML (only company that makes lithography fur sub 4nm chips), pharma industry (many Europe companies/universities RnD are essential for that industry), science as whole is very strong in EU.
Additionally, many trade routes are managed from EU / switzerland. And big investments ate taken by European entities.
Who do you think has more leverage in this relationship, and what stops the US from simply poaching the talent from Europe as the economy there collapses?
Imagine thinking you can ‘simply poach’ the talent from Europe. The US is far from the only country skilled migrants choose, and it’s looking less and less attractive to be a resident by the day.
If the economic situation in Europe continues to deteriorate then people with the means to do so will leave. They might not all go to the US, but that’s not gonna be a small consolation to Europe. The only other real alternative is China because nobody else is funding this kind of research and technology development right now.
Similar trend in the US as well, it’s also worth noting that the US traditionally is heavily reliant on immigration to supplement lack of good publicly accessible education. The states effectively outsource the cost to other countries, and then poach talent. If this pipeline stops then the states will be in trouble technologically.
How exactly do you envision the EU being an effective deterrence against the US exactly? The EU is completely dependent on the US militarily, and now that EU won’t trade with Russia, it’s also dependent on the US for energy. The US has the EU bent over a barrel at this point.
Good point, honestly. But, if worst comes to worse, I expect continental Europe to stand with other continental Europeans and their interests before it stands with the likes of the US and UK.
You wouldn’t say that if you knew anything about continental European history.
The EU would have ally itself with China. It is a difficult choice, you have a fascist oligarchy who funded Israel’s genocide on one hand (US) vs a communist country that built 40000km of HSR, countless solar panels, the most affordable electric cars in the world, and now a ton of nuclear power plants. I can’t tell which country is worse 🙃
When did Xi Hinping get rid of term limits? 2018.
Yes, Russia also did this. And it’s possible that the US will do this. And the US does support some monarchies. But that doesn’t mean that we should steal-man one regime and straw-man another. Instead, we should be critical of all authoritarian governments. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
When did ethnic cleansing start in Xinjiang, China? 2014.
Does the US support ethnic cleansing in Israel? Yes. Is the ethnic cleansing in Israel worse? Quite arguably, it’s much worse. Is the US doing it externally and China internally? Yeah, but so what? The Biden/Trump can’t say “well other countries have done ethnic cleansing in the past” to normalize theirs. Likewise, Xi can’t say that what’s happening to Muslims in China is justified because the US also has internal racism. That would be whataboutism. We should acknowledge all atrocities without insisting on comparing them and only condemning the worst while excusing all lesser forms of discrimination.
Is China the biggest polluter? Yes.
Yes, the US is a larger polluter per-capita. But China is hardly the world’s role model for sustainability. I think Cuba might be an example of a country with a fairly good lifestyle and state of development relative their per-capita environmental footprint (although they have other problems).
I’m so tired of the oversimplified thinking you people display. Authoritarianism is wrong, red or blue, Black or White, right or “left” (I don’t think authoritarianism in peacetime can be justified by any true leftist).
Oh, and Does China censor LGBT? Sometimes; it depends.
And before you say, “The US does these things, too, but worse,” reach for a glass of nuance. The US does some things better and others worse. We arguably have greater freedom of expression/speech and more turnover in leadership. Not to say we are totally free and democratic. Just that China seems to be farther from freedom and democracy with respect to censorship and elections.
You’d think this would be an easy one, but here we are.
they’ll choose the u.s., because (who rules them are) white.
Military dependency is not everything… there are other things, where USA is dependent on Europe.
But, I guess right now, nobody can tell what is going to happen next…
Please elaborate… Last I checked, other than imposing imperial interests for the US’ behalf, I can’t recollect a single concrete thing that the US needs the EU for.
So, there is ASML (only company that makes lithography fur sub 4nm chips), pharma industry (many Europe companies/universities RnD are essential for that industry), science as whole is very strong in EU.
Additionally, many trade routes are managed from EU / switzerland. And big investments ate taken by European entities.
Who do you think has more leverage in this relationship, and what stops the US from simply poaching the talent from Europe as the economy there collapses?
Imagine thinking you can ‘simply poach’ the talent from Europe. The US is far from the only country skilled migrants choose, and it’s looking less and less attractive to be a resident by the day.
If the economic situation in Europe continues to deteriorate then people with the means to do so will leave. They might not all go to the US, but that’s not gonna be a small consolation to Europe. The only other real alternative is China because nobody else is funding this kind of research and technology development right now.
Similar trend in the US as well, it’s also worth noting that the US traditionally is heavily reliant on immigration to supplement lack of good publicly accessible education. The states effectively outsource the cost to other countries, and then poach talent. If this pipeline stops then the states will be in trouble technologically.