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      People who have a large following and magic emojis next to their name will keep using it because it gives them their validation. Twitter celebs are really in a sad state of existence

  • Remember when Obama saw the largest transfer of wealth away from black US citizens to the wealthy in the history of the United States?

    Remember when he set the precedent that it us cool to assassinate US citizens in the open (as opposed to covertly) without trial?

    Honestly I get being mad at “Obama’s biggest controversy was the mustard”

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      Obama’s biggest controversy was the mustard

      That’s not what she said lol. Sorry as a neurodivergent person I get that this tweet might be hard to read possibly, but she’s being sarcastic here. Maybe in poor taste, but it’s a joke. She’s well-aware of the shit Obama’s done and isn’t a fan of him.

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        She says that Obama was bad. Everyone understands she was being sarcastic. Since she was being sarcastic it means that she is trying to say that Obama wasn’t bad (because that’s how sarcasm works).

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          Since she was being sarcastic it means that she is trying to say that Obama wasn’t bad (because that’s how sarcasm works).

          I mean… no? Sarcasm works in multiple ways lol. This is like a children’s picture book-level of understanding of sarcasm.

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              Every US president is a War Criminal.

              However, most sane people would agree that Obama was, as far as U.S. presidents go, very uncontroversial. Well spoken, very few scandals, centrist policies, didn’t make a fool of himself every time he met a head of state, etc.

              So the conservatives latched onto the WEIRDEST shit. Made him up as a Kenyan citizen (???), actually made a big deal about his choices of condiments or suit colors, etc. These were all real things that made the mainstream news cycles, because Obama wasn’t livetweeting his every thought or being indicted every day, but US conservatives had to complain about something.

              This is to be contrasted to the mainstream Republican figureheads, who are unbelievably crass&corrupt traitors yet receive nothing but praise from the same media/pundits that thrashed Obama for his choice of mustard.

              Absurdist contrast like this is, indeed, comedic. I rest my case.


              (Also Natalie has talked in-depth about how shitty this faux-leftist “the democrat candidate is actually center-right and imperfect, therefore I shall not vote for them even if it gives the win to the literal rapist who will absolutely jail me for my political beliefs, gender expression, or sexual orientation if given the chance” in her videos, most notably the 2020 campaign video, but of course none of that fits in 240 characters, also comedy doesn’t tend to work when overexplained, thank you for coming to my TED talk)

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                Uncontroversial because the democrats suddenly stopped caring about drone strikes, illegitimate wars, the Patriot act, and gitmo once he was electedm

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            This is absolutely just a regurgitation of people saying Obama’s biggest scandals was the pants he wore. The joke doesn’t have a punchline otherwise, barring missing context that you should have led with if there was a misunderstanding.

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              Isn’t the punch line holding that belief? As in she was being sarcastic in saying that the sauce was the worst thing he did. It is an absolutely absurd belief to hold and thus humorous

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            I mean… sure? But that comment written by that particular person I can not see how it can be interpreted as a criticism against Obama. Unless it’s a kind of 4chan humor, which is shameful to understand anyway.

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            Never argue with someone from Hexbear. They’re all at least comfortable with being in a community overrun by tankie trolls.

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              This comment is a great example of the “insight” that you find on that instance. Random insults that don’t make much sense unless you uncritically agree with the most boot licking China / Russia defenders.

              It’s not insulting, it’s just boring. It’s like bots repeating old Chapo comments from different articles, none of which make sense.

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          I see it as mocking conservative news networks that acted like it was a controversy. Which you absolutely can do and still believe Obama was a bad president or whatever.

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        Are you just looking to dunk without actually absorbing what was actually said? If so, go back to reddit.

        If you’ve actually misunderstood me, I never claimed Obama caused the recession. His policies after just massively looted the proletariat to benefit the bourgeoisie, and in particular looted black proletariat.

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    I have an issue when the same people who were cheering during the Bush years, gave grudging acceptance at drone strikes during Obama, and were silent during the Trump years, pipe up and say drone strikes are bad now.
    Progressives have been saying this the whole time.

    Also, a reminder that Obama tried to write regs limiting the use of drone strikes at the end of his presidency. Trump promptly threw them out on entering.

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      As always, when a Republican does something, it’s good and just. When a Democrat does literally the same thing, they’re the devil incarnate.

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      Drone strikes are the holy grail of the military-industrial complex. They are cheap to run meaning that the air force doesn’t have to give them a huge budget yet consume precision bombs and missiles at a steady rate meaning that the weapon industry get a secure revenue stream. And they can be scaled up almost infinitely since there is no bad news coverage of wounded veterans or crying widows on us television.

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      Also, a reminder that Obama tried to write regs limiting the use of drone strikes at the end of his presidency

      That doesn’t sound good.

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    I mean. It definitely carries the implication that Obama has done very little wrong whether or not you intended it that way. Natalie’s inability to own up to mistakes is either a serious character flaw or she thinks that the murderous actions he took were justified.

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      I think, still, it’s a reflection of what the conservative media at the time was making a big deal about. It wasn’t the drone strikes or war crimes, it was the tan suit that was run on Fox for several weeks.

      It’s like they never gave a shit about civilian deaths. Ever.

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        It’s not really hard is it? “Yeah people are right about this.” and then growing from it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that from her, not a single time. Everyone is always wrong except her, it is always the internet’s fault, and she is perfect and right about everything.

        I have much more respect for people like Noah Samsen who has made mistakes with epic debatebros and just owned up to it like “Yep engaging with them was a mistake I shouldn’t have done it and won’t be in future”. Just fucking learn from things ffs. Grow.

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    Such an annoying reckless behavior to publicly Call Out a community you’re supposedly part of like this. Every time someone does this, I get a clear mental image of a dog licking its own ass. Just shut up, having random slapfights and compulsive arguing are childish zoomer traits

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      I used to think it was funny just because it WAS absurd that Hannity (it was Hannity right?) made a big deal out of Obama ordering “fancy mustard” and therefor being unAmerican. I thought it was a good commentary on conservative media’s weird tics. But once I noticed that libs were using it (and tan suit jokes) just as much to absolve Obama of having “real controversies” and not just making fun of Fox News, it lost its edge for me.

      ETA: Also its really corny of Contra to engage in such an overused joke, beyond how lib she’s being its also just really gauche.

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      Can I ask whats being made meaningless here? I hope you don’t mean “war criminal”. Because drone bombing a wedding is definitely a war crime.

      Maybe you mean Contra’s joke though idk lol

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      Oh you are saying we shouldn’t communicate and instead rely on aesthetics to signal each other? Thats literally fascism but you do you.

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        Yeah, I like have a soft spot for her because she helped show me that there was actually a left beyond voting for labour every now and again, and like she was the only trans rep young me really had, but like her politics are cringe af - abby-exasperation is way cooler imo

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          contra’s godawful takes on NB people / gender in general + her tendency to triple down when criticized really soured me on her content. it took all the fun out of the theater for me.

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          PT makes good videos, but she is closer to contra than can be coincidental. I mean, what are the odds of two trans women making leftist (at least at one point) political video essays in an overly theatrical style with old english letters as pen names.

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            Yeah they’re friends and they used to help each other with the video production, I’m just saying that Abbie has wayyyy better politics than contra does (and her videos are better to - also she’s a fellow trans person enduring the hellscape that is TERF island with me so that endears me to her)

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            This is just pitting trans people against each other for no reason. PT were less theatrical before they came out, but acting like a theater kid in your video editing choices isn’t exclusive to any one YouTuber.

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              I was just comparing them since they’re decently close friends, they’re in the same niche and go for basically the same audience, and do things in the same style, it seemed like a pretty natural comparison to me

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                I understand, your comparison was fine. The person responding to you makes it sound like PT is ripping off Contrapoints though. Comparing their ideas, their production value and choices is fine, they do exist in a similar space, but there’s nothing wrong with PT existing in a similar space. Straight white men are allowed to coexist with identical videos on YouTube. But someone in a marginalized group? Their channels are constantly pitted against each other.

                Vaush/Xanderhal, Asmongold/Penguinz0 are all allowed to be successful even though they pretty much make the same videos and stream clips on the same topics. But for some reason creators from marginalized groups can’t have similar tastes and ideas.

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            If I had a nickel for every time it happened I’ve have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

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            our greatest insult is to call someone a liberal

            What do you mean by this?

            In the US, we use liberal to describe a person who is left of center on the political spectrum, who is not a socialist. And we use conservative or neo-liberal to describe someone right of center.

            Is the goal to make fun of people left of center or to make fun of people right of center? I honestly cannot tell from the above conversation. This may simply be regional based confusion on my part.

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              so, liberalism is decidedly right of centre. it requires buying into capitalism, but it’s not as far gone as the GOP. The US dems are left of the GOP, but right on a more absolute political meter.

              Bernie is leftist, but Biden & co are properly right of centre. Your Overton window has shifted so far to the right that a leftist politician will have a harder path than a snowball in hell.

              I say this as someone that has a neolib prime minister (Trudeau).

              Suffice to say, liberals and conservatives have the same goals, liberals just prefer a sustainable labour class.

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              I can’t claim to be an expert, and this is strictly in a USA context, but I’d explain it this way: “Liberal” is used to insult someone for having and promoting bad, insufficiently leftward political principles, instead of good ones. The good ones depend on what principles the person doing the insulting holds. The right side of the political spectrum also uses Liberal as an insult, so it can be confusing.

              Elements of the far left consider Liberals hardly better than (and in practice indistinguishable from) political centrists, conservatives, or fascists, due to the perception that Liberals support policies that won’t disrupt systems that perpetuate injustice, and will carry water for other liberals even when they commit acts they would denounce their political opponents for doing.

              The right uses Liberal as a catch-all term for leftists generally (whom they despise), but it has diminished a bit, being supplanted by “woke” “groomers” “antifa” and “BLM.”

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                Yeah, I’ve started seeing the far left use liberal to describe anyone to the right of them. And weirdly, people on the far left decry wokeness the same way a conservative would. It has been weird. =/

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              In the US we use liberal to refer to people left of the American center which is already skewed right. Liberals are center right.

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                I would say that American politicians are skewed to the right, but the American people themselves are not.

                Progressive ideas are popular with Americans.

                I would use neo-liberal to describe many American politicians, including a majority of Democrats, as they tend to have views right of center. But I would use liberal to describe many of the people voting Democrat as their views reflect positions that are at least center left.

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              Center to center right. Liberals tend to see themselves as left of center though and the word has very little meaning overall. I was mostly just making a joke though.

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          Yeah, basically she has in the past talked about how she admires leftists and I don’t think she isn’t one, but that she thinks leftist ideas come from envy of people who are more fortunate, and that leftist ideas are bad cuz they’re ant-consumer. Admittedly tho its been a long time since I remember her talking about politics and my memory isnt the best but those are things I think I remember… Try the ‘envy’ video

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      Going? I think the least lib she ever got was making two videos about capitalism being bad and then concluding it with this statement:

      You know maybe we should do something in the meantime. Uhh so I dunno, I guess vote Labour, tweet radically, try to eat more vegetables, uhh… Try not to be manipulated into waging war against other downtrodden people, and can we please not hand more power to the absolute worst dingbats our society has on offer.